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Bass Drum Speed Tips |
 Nov 30 2007, 02:31 PM
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Mar 29 2008, 06:54 PM
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Apprentice Joined: 18-March 08 From: Midwest Ohio Drum Set: Tama Cymbals: Zildjian Posts: 49 |
I have a direct question for Dave Atkinson. Move this to the appropriate place if you like.
Dave, is there a secret, other than countless hours of practice, that you used when you learned? I have watched your videos many times and your double bass notes are perfect. Your beaters even rebound the exact same distance. I can play a short set of doubles here and there, but I can't keep them going for more that a few bars without getting off time at any speed. I'm sure I am right to assume I need to find a good technique before I even consider worrying about speed. I have a decent knowledge of drumming from 8 years of instruction from school band, so my hands are fine. But my feet are still in the fifth grade as I have not been playing on a drum set very long and I'm hoping it won't take them 8 years to catch up. Obviously there is no shortcut to become good overnight, but I just don't know how or what to practice to get it right. I have good hand foot independence. I can play off beat bass notes or open the hi hat just fine while I play. I |
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Nov 7 2008, 10:28 AM
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 Recruit Joined: 7-November 08 From: Russia, Moscow Drum Set: Sonor Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 4 |
Thanks to FDL team! I'm from Russia, and my english is worst... But i want tell, that FDL.com is the best site, which i have seen ever. I think i need a FDLesson about up&down technic on a Double Bass))) Can you help me? )) I play very heavy music and i need a extreme drumming lesson, and i know that jazz drummers are most strong in this))) once again sorry for my english
 
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Nov 9 2008, 09:53 PM
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Apprentice Joined: 4-November 08 Drum Set: Tama Cymbals: Zildjian Posts: 20 |
that didnt tell me how to get faster tho...is there any tips on how to practice increasing your speed?
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Nov 9 2008, 09:57 PM
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 FDL Moderator Joined: 10-March 08 From: NJ Drum Set: Tama Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 6,863 |
QUOTE (ozrock @ Nov 9 2008, 11:53 PM)  that didnt tell me how to get faster tho...is there any tips on how to practice increasing your speed? metronome. Play until you can do a speed in your sleep, then up the tempo on the metronome by a few. Rinse and repeat. -------------------- Are you standing close to the edge? Look out to the setting sun, the brink of your vision. Eternal youth is a landscape of a lie. The cracks in my skin can prove, as the years will testify. Say your prayers and light a fire, we're gonna start a war. Your slogan's a gun for hire, it's what we waited for. This is why we're on the edge. The fight of our lives been drawn to this undying love.
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Nov 11 2008, 04:22 PM
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Recruit Joined: 7-November 08 From: Russia, Moscow Drum Set: Sonor Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 4 |
I think, besides it is useful to learn understand mechanics of movements. About adjustment of a double pedal, I think, it is possible not to mention. And a metronome, it as the strict daddy... You should obey him))). Derek Roddy, by the way in his videos excellently shows examples of training speed. But i didn't see yet videos about double stroke on the double pedal, which demonstrate this technic enough.
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Dec 15 2008, 11:26 AM
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Apprentice Joined: 15-December 08 From: Canada Drum Set: Drum Workshop Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 29 |
QUOTE (ozrock @ Nov 9 2008, 08:53 PM) that didnt tell me how to get faster tho...is there any tips on how to practice increasing your speed? Umm.. only one PRATICE !MAKES PERFECT 
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Dec 15 2008, 12:19 PM
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Commander Joined: 31-May 08 Drum Set: Ludwig Cymbals: Zildjian Posts: 1,865 |
QUOTE (RockDrummer1595 @ Dec 15 2008, 11:26 AM) Umm.. only one PRATICE !MAKES PERFECT Actually only perfect practice makes perfect 
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Apr 20 2009, 07:59 AM
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Apprentice Joined: 16-April 09 From: Guangzhou P.R. China Drum Set: Premier Cymbals: Paiste Posts: 17 |
Hi,
Great site and thank you for providing all the great lessons for free! A freshman question, is it really perfect practive and over time one will be able to achieve speed with the bass padel (using the single beater)? I see Jared 'pressing' his foot slightly to the right while doing the fast double beat in the Secret Lesson #3 ?! I need enlightneing please! Thanks 
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Apr 20 2009, 08:11 AM
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 Moderator Classic Joined: 23-March 08 From: Pacific Northwest Drum Set: Mapex Cymbals: Zildjian Posts: 12,556 |
QUOTE (Stoner @ Apr 20 2009, 07:59 AM) A freshman question, is it really perfect practive and over time one will be able to achieve speed with the bass padel (using the single beater)? I see Jared 'pressing' his foot slightly to the right while doing the fast double beat in the Secret Lesson #3 ?! Welcome Stoner! Short answer: Yes - its about "perfect practice" and lots of it. A good pedal will help, but fast footwork is mostly about putting in the time. Once you've learned the proper technique, plan on LOTS of hours of practice to get both quality and quantity (speed). -------------------- . I'm not unemployed. I'm a consultant. |
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Apr 20 2009, 09:39 AM
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Apprentice Joined: 16-April 09 From: Guangzhou P.R. China Drum Set: Premier Cymbals: Paiste Posts: 17 |
QUOTE (Poco Askew @ Apr 20 2009, 11:11 PM) Welcome Stoner! Short answer: Yes - its about "perfect practice" and lots of it. A good pedal will help, but fast footwork is mostly about putting in the time. Once you've learned the proper technique, plan on LOTS of hours of practice to get both quality and quantity (speed). OK thanks, I have a feeling its getting the leg muscle (and the brain) synchronised so to speak then it comes naturally, after hours of perfect practive that is ha ha! 
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Apr 20 2009, 01:41 PM
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 FDL Moderator Joined: 4-December 07 From: Boston, MA Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 5,052 |
Welcome to the forums!
 It's also very important to start slow, and go progressively faster as you get better. That way, you can ensure that you have the proper technique. Hell, that applies to everything in drumming. Good luck! |
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Apr 21 2009, 12:11 AM
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 Captain Joined: 24-May 08 From: galway,Ireland Drum Set: Other Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 971 |
QUOTE (Dealas @ Apr 20 2009, 09:41 PM) Welcome to the forums! It's also very important to start slow, and go progressively faster as you get better. That way, you can ensure that you have the proper technique. Good luck! +1 you dont want to learn somthing with a wrong technique because when someone tell you "your doing wrong" your going to have to learn it all over again, --------------------  |
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Apr 21 2009, 06:44 AM
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Apprentice Joined: 16-April 09 From: Guangzhou P.R. China Drum Set: Premier Cymbals: Paiste Posts: 17 |
QUOTE (drummerboy768 @ Apr 21 2009, 03:11 PM) +1 you dont want to learn somthing with a wrong technique because when someone tell you "your doing wrong" your going to have to learn it all over again, Thanks guys, I'm at 1 e N R (is it how its called?) so I'll report back after 2 months ha-ha! 
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Apr 21 2009, 01:57 PM
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 Sergeant Joined: 14-December 08 Drum Set: Other Cymbals: Other Posts: 328 |
Not quite sure if this is allowed, but here's a video that that covers quite a few double-bass speed tips. Link
Edit: I'd only suggest loosening your spring tension when you get to the point where you can play 32nd notes at around 110 BPM. This post has been edited by fnovus: Apr 21 2009, 02:01 PM |
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Apr 21 2009, 08:00 PM
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FDL Moderator Joined: 4-December 07 From: Boston, MA Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 5,052 |
32nd? Or 16th?
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Apr 21 2009, 09:51 PM
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Apprentice Joined: 16-April 09 From: Guangzhou P.R. China Drum Set: Premier Cymbals: Paiste Posts: 17 |
QUOTE (fnovus @ Apr 22 2009, 04:57 AM) Not quite sure if this is allowed, but here's a video that that covers quite a few double-bass speed tips. Link Edit: I'd only suggest loosening your spring tension when you get to the point where you can play 32nd notes at around 110 BPM. Thanks but I'm in Mainland China and coz of the Tibet thing no access to Youtube for weeks now. 32nd notes at 110 BPM....slowly slowly catch a monkey I guess
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Apr 21 2009, 10:09 PM
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Sergeant Joined: 14-December 08 Drum Set: Other Cymbals: Other Posts: 328 |
QUOTE (Dealas @ Apr 22 2009, 04:00 AM) 32nd? Or 16th? 32nd at 110 BPM, 16th at 220 BPM or 8th at 440 BPM (if you're that crazy). The reason why I'd only suggest loosening your spring tension once you get to that stage is because, from there on out, you'll be relying more on the rebound of your drum head than anything else. QUOTE (Stoner @ Apr 22 2009, 05:51 AM) Thanks but I'm in Mainland China and coz of the Tibet thing no access to Youtube for weeks now. 32nd notes at 110 BPM....slowly slowly catch a monkey I guess Basically it tells you to tighten the batter/front head on your bass drum, at least half fill it with things like pillows, etc. (soft things) and play a bit further back on your pedal. It also tells you to loosen the spring tension on your pedals, but you're better off leaving that until you're fairly quick with a high spring tension. |
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Apr 22 2009, 06:28 PM
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FDL Moderator Joined: 4-December 07 From: Boston, MA Cymbals: Sabian Posts: 5,052 |
I'd say you start with 110 bpm 16th notes... wouldn't you?
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Apr 22 2009, 11:56 PM
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Sergeant Joined: 14-December 08 Drum Set: Other Cymbals: Other Posts: 328 |
I didn't say you should start at a certain speed. I said you should loosen the spring tension on your pedals once you get to a certain speed.
16ths at 110 - 150ish you barely need rebound for, so loosening your spring tension then would prolly just hinder your progress. |
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