Double Stroke Roll Options

[Jared Falk]

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[PudFish]

Great help, Love the third exercise.

[drummerboy768]

in the video it looks like he dosn't lift his sticks like in the multiple roll but i was wondering do you actually lift your hand twice for each hit?or do let it just do a multible bounce just not as close together with the hit

[deathdrummer420]

in the video it looks like he dosn't lift his sticks like in the multiple roll but i was wondering do you actually lift your hand twice for each hit?or do let it just do a multible bounce just not as close together with the hit

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[Beatbug2]

Use the fingers to stroke the stick between your index and your thumb.

[drueber]

Hello!

I have a question towards the music sheet for the double stroke roll, especially how to count this notes right with the metronome.

I think in the first line are 16th notes. So if I start with the right hand, the first stroke is 1, then the second stroke with the right hand is a, then the third stroke with the left hand is and and the last stroke, also left-handed, is an e.

Is this the correct counting? Sorry maybe a stupid question, but I'm not really sure about it! Thanks a lot!

[drumchic64]

Hello!

I have a question towards the music sheet for the double stroke roll, especially how to count this notes right with the metronome.

I think in the first line are 16th notes. So if I start with the right hand, the first stroke is 1, then the second stroke with the right hand is a, then the third stroke with the left hand is and and the last stroke, also left-handed, is an e.

Is this the correct counting? Sorry maybe a stupid question, but I'm not really sure about it! Thanks a lot!

You got it Drueber! & Welcome FDL..& Trust me..No Question around here is stupid Everyone is a great..Hope you hang out and have some fun!

Oh yea..If you look in the lessons area of the site..it will have sheet music and a video..to show you how it's done.

This post has been edited by drumchic64: Aug 23 2008, 08:44 AM

[Poco Askew]

Hello!

I have a question towards the music sheet for the double stroke roll, especially how to count this notes right with the metronome.

I think in the first line are 16th notes. So if I start with the right hand, the first stroke is 1, then the second stroke with the right hand is a, then the third stroke with the left hand is and and the last stroke, also left-handed, is an e.

Is this the correct counting? Sorry maybe a stupid question, but I'm not really sure about it! Thanks a lot!

Hmmm... Well if you count 1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a, and start with your right hand, it should go like this:
1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a
RRLLRRLLRRLLRRLL
Singles or doubles, 16ths are counted the same.
Oh, btw - WELCOME TO FDL!

This post has been edited by Poco Askew: Aug 23 2008, 09:37 AM

[drumchic64]

Thanks for explaining that better!

Question??

Working on the basic rudiments..Does it make for better improvement to master the rudiments with speed one at a time..then learn to move around the kit? I have them all down but lack in speed in some of them..Or do I practice them all moving around the kit? Make sense what I'm asking?

[Poco Askew]

Working on the basic rudiments..Does it make for better improvement to master the rudiments with speed one at a time..then learn to move around the kit? I have them all down but lack in speed in some of them..Or do I practice them all moving around the kit? Make sense what I'm asking?

Tough question (but a good one). I hope someone else will chime in with their opinion since I'm no expert drummer.
Ultimately you want both speed and fluid movement around the kit. I would practice both, but always pushing the speed (with good form/technique) higher when on a pad or snare than when trying to run the kit. If you can play 16ths around the kit at 150, I'd be working on something faster on a pad - like 170. These numbers are arbitrary, but that's how I do it. Develop your max speed on a single drum/pad. Around the kit it will be less.

I've found moving around the kit is more universal than learing the rudiments. By that I mean, it takes a different technique to play fast doubles than singles or flams. But if you can move gracefully around the kit playing any one of them, you will easily be able to move around the kit with the rest of them, assuming you have mastered the rudiments at the necessary speed.

Anyone else have a different take?

[DrummerChef]

Tough question (but a good one). I hope someone else will chime in with their opinion since I'm no expert drummer.
Ultimately you want both speed and fluid movement around the kit. I would practice both, but always pushing the speed (with good form/technique) higher when on a pad or snare than when trying to run the kit. If you can play 16ths around the kit at 150, I'd be working on something faster on a pad - like 170. These numbers are arbitrary, but that's how I do it. Develop your max speed on a single drum/pad. Around the kit it will be less.

I've found moving around the kit is more universal than learing the rudiments. By that I mean, it takes a different technique to play fast doubles than singles or flams. But if you can move gracefully around the kit playing any one of them, you will easily be able to move around the kit with the rest of them, assuming you have mastered the rudiments at the necessary speed.

Anyone else have a different take?

Sounds about right to me

[drumchic64]

Tough question (but a good one). I hope someone else will chime in with their opinion since I'm no expert drummer.
Ultimately you want both speed and fluid movement around the kit. I would practice both, but always pushing the speed (with good form/technique) higher when on a pad or snare than when trying to run the kit. If you can play 16ths around the kit at 150, I'd be working on something faster on a pad - like 170. These numbers are arbitrary, but that's how I do it. Develop your max speed on a single drum/pad. Around the kit it will be less.

I've found moving around the kit is more universal than learing the rudiments. By that I mean, it takes a different technique to play fast doubles than singles or flams. But if you can move gracefully around the kit playing any one of them, you will easily be able to move around the kit with the rest of them, assuming you have mastered the rudiments at the necessary speed.

Anyone else have a different take?

Thanks for the help..A 26 yr veteran at the shop told me basically same thing. Necessary speed on some of them I think is my issue..

[lordlors]

Question:
How do you practice the double stroke roll effectively? Or what is the best way to practice the double stroke roll without a metronome (i don't have one and I'm still finding one in the stores)? Is there a way to practice it without having to use the drum kit?

[southerngent]

you can get a metronome online for temp measures

[DrummerNewb09]

Haha, so after practicing for so very long what I "thought" was the correct way to do double strokes, i've realized that I was wrong !

I had been doing double strokes, just way faster than I had thought I needed to. I was doing 32nd notes when I was supposed to be doing 16th notes, and thought that this was correct... how terrible it was to finally realize I was doing this wrong. So now i've become pretty good at doing doubles very fast, but can't do them very well slow .

So, warning to anyone else who is learning this! it's right, right, left, left, 1 e and uh 2 when doing sixteenth notes, same amount of strokes as if you were doing singles...

I feel like such a loser ... ha.

[Johnathan]

For shame, for shame, just kidding, it happens to a great deal of drummers just starting out, so do not be to hard on yourself

[mikebern]

I was brought up playing jazz so my right hand has no problem with getting two hits per stroke, but it seems when I try to speed things up for doubles my left hand kind of dies out and I end up playing triplets. This is driving me crazy right now... It's like I can't get the fingers of my left hand to do what the fingers of my right hand have no problem with... Any suggestions on technique or exercises so I can break this habit that has my left hand always wanting to to do a single.

[drummerboy768]

Question:
Is there a way to practice it without having to use the drum kit?

practice pad

[drumchic64]

You might want to pick up on JoJo Mayers DVD pack on hand technique..There is a thread in the drum resource/classified forum page.
or PM Drummerchef.

[mikebern]

Question:
How do you practice the double stroke roll effectively? Or what is the best way to practice the double stroke roll without a metronome (i don't have one and I'm still finding one in the stores)? Is there a way to practice it without having to use the drum kit?

Go to www.versiontracker.com and enter metronome for your search criteria, you should be able to find something that meets your needs. I got one for my Mac there it works very well plus it's freeware. I actually downloaded three different ones and then selected the one I liked the most.