Multiple Bounce Roll (Buzz Roll) Options

[Jared Falk]

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[maximus5150]

I've looked at the video on FDL, and I thought I got it, but after getting the DRS lesson dvd's I really don't.

I'm listening to Lionel, and wow he has such a crisp evenly spaced bounce from the sticks on the kit and the pad.

I'm having issues, I'm trying to get close to a lively bounce roll. I found the balance point on the stick, when I drop it on the pad or snare it bounces like the ones on the video. I believe I have a good fulcrum point with my finger and thumb. When I try the bounce roll and put pressure forward I get a big bounce then it quickly dies down. I let up pressure I get more bouncing but they aren't a crisp bounce roll, you can really tell the difference between each bounce in timing. I put more pressure the bounce dies.

I'm wondering if this is just something I will learn over time or am I just practicing wrong? I don't want to create a bad habit from the start. Are there any tips someone can give to either help me with the bounce?

[Dealas]

It's just practice. You're on the right track. Just keep on practicing, and you'll be able to control the amount of "buzz" on each stroke. Make sure you tighten your fingers/hand enough to make the buzz sound, but not choke the sound.

[bstric1]

You know, when I first started working on quick doubles I would always end up with a buzz roll. Now that I've got my quick doubles down I have trouble adjusting back to the buzz roll. Really I think just like Dealas said it is all about practice.

[Hodgey]

I haven't really focused on getting those clean, crisp buzz rolls down.
I have been soo focused on my doubles and the moeller technique lately that i just haven't really thought about it.
Looks like i better jump on my kit and have a go lol

[Johnathan H]

It is good to mix things up a bit, not to over focus. mixing things up builds confidence and keeps things interesting. At least this works for me.

[Hodgey]

It is good to mix things up a bit, not to over focus. mixing things up builds confidence and keeps things interesting. At least this works for me.

Yeah i've been trying to practice a couple of things one after another but it's kind of hard to practice my buzz roll on a practice pad lol
I haven't been on my kit for a while, too much hw and stuff

[Diamondblade2008]

I've tried playing this, but im not sure electronic drums can handle the fast bouncing action from the sticks. I do like the 'clean' sound of the Buzz Roll in the lesson though.

[Poco Askew]

E-kits are often not on their best behavior with rolls.

[Dealas]

Practice pads are better for that kind of practice.

[Diamondblade2008]

Practice pads are better for that kind of practice.

The sticks rebound well on the DD-65, its just laying down the series of rolls required for the buzz roll that I'm finding a bit difficult as I can't get the sticks to bounce in sequence (perfect R, L, R, L at a fast pace)

Im thinking of getting a good cheap snare drum to practice on. I already have a snare stand.

This post has been edited by Diamondblade2008: Sep 26 2008, 03:33 PM

[JiffishHank]

You posted, RLRL for sticking a roll. A buzz roll would be RRLLRRLL

Now I'm confused. I thought that was a double-stroke roll, and a buzz roll was just letting your sticks bounce a few times causing the roll to sound faster and more "unclean."

[Poco Askew]

Now I'm confused. I thought that was a double-stroke roll, and a buzz roll was just letting your sticks bounce a few times causing the roll to sound faster and more "unclean."

It looks like you are correct Hank. When I was taught this way back in the dark ages, I thought we were told to treat it as a double stroke roll but more compressed. I should have reviewed the posted FDL lesson. I'll delete my post - I don't want to confuse the issue any more than I have.

This post has been edited by Poco Askew: Sep 26 2008, 06:47 PM

[Miss Noir]

Hi all. I have a question regarding the multiple bounce roll Drum Set Exercise #2

I am a left handed drummer and so this makes things a bit different at times.

It is obvious to me that this is played in 16th notes and so you would use alternating hands RLRL to hit the high hat & snare and then snare for the bounce roll.

My question is how to transition when you get to the 2 count. I obviously start off with LRLR. And it goes 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4. But when you get to the 2 count.......your hands are to both hit the snare and the high hat at the same time. And so how do you transition back to alternating hands after this???? Or is it supposed to be only your right (or left) in my case that hits the snare?

Meaning your alternating hands would look like this........LRLR (1e&a on high-hat) then what with both hands on 2e&a.........then I know the rest with 3e&a on snare with buzz roll and finishing off with a single stroke at 4 on snare.

Please help cause I think i've been practicing this one routine wrong.

[JiffishHank]

I think it's a typo in the sheet music. I'm fairly sure there shouldn't be a hi-hat hit there. So in your case, I believe your left hands comes down to hit the snare on 2, then your right hand on e, and then you continue alternating.

Here's what it should say for the first 3 counts

DRUM TABS

1e+a2e+a
HH|xxxx-xxx|
SD|----o---|
BD|o-------|

So again, you alternate hands and in your case, your left should come down to hit the snare on 2. Hope that helped!

[Miss Noir]

That is what I thought.....about it being a typo that is! Thanks.

[sparky88]

Is there any good exercise for different Strokes?
Wrist, fingers, and rebound? With description?
I am having trouble with the rebound. Some of the video's go so fast. FYI I slow them down on
Windows Media Player. I think for some of us not so experienced drummers we need to view a little slower.
That's the problem with a lot of the instructional videos out there. It seems these drummers want to show us how good they are. And they sure are good. But they all didn't start out that fast. This site is great and very educational.
S88

[drumchic64]

You should always learn the numbered stroke rolls first..Basically the double..This will develope your wrist and muscle control. For the buzz roll..raise the tips of the sticks as high as possible using the wrists only. Allow the stick to bounce freely. For evenness, each stick must strike the head the same number of times.

This post has been edited by drumchic64: Apr 13 2009, 03:37 AM